Legislature(1997 - 1998)

02/17/1997 01:15 PM House TRA

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            HOUSE TRANSPORTATION STANDING COMMITTEE                            
                       February 17, 1997                                       
                           1:15 p.m.                                           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 MEMBERS PRESENT                                                               
                                                                               
 Representative Bill Williams, Chairman                                        
 Representative Jerry Sanders                                                  
 Representative Kim Elton                                                      
 Representative Al Kookesh                                                     
 Representative Bill Hudson                                                    
                                                                               
 MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                
                                                                               
 Representative Beverly Masek, Vice Chairman                                   
 Representative John Cowdery                                                   
                                                                               
 COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                            
                                                                               
 HOUSE BILL NO. 63                                                             
 "An Act extending the motor fuel tax exemption for fuel sold for              
 use in jet propulsion aircraft to fuel used in those aircraft for             
 flights that continue from a foreign country; and providing for an            
 effective date."                                                              
                                                                               
      - HEARD AND HELD                                                         
                                                                               
 HOUSE BILL NO. 55                                                             
 "An Act relating to the fiscal operations of the Alaska Railroad              
 Corporation and to land acquired by the State of Alaska under the             
 Alaska Railroad Transfer Act of 1982 or otherwise acquired for                
 railroad purposes; and providing for an effective date."                      
                                                                               
      - SCHEDULED BUT NOT HEARD                                                
 (* First public hearing)                                                      
                                                                               
 PREVIOUS ACTION                                                               
                                                                               
 BILL:  HB 63                                                                
 SHORT TITLE: AVIATION FUEL TAX EXEMPTION                                      
 SPONSOR(S): REPRESENTATIVE(S) THERRIAULT, Davies, Kelly                       
                                                                               
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 01/13/97        48    (H)   READ THE FIRST TIME - REFERRAL(S)                 
 01/13/97        48    (H)   TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE                           
 01/22/97       126    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): DAVIES                              
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 02/12/97       325    (H)   COSPONSOR(S): KELLY                               
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 BILL:  HB 55                                                                
 SHORT TITLE: ALASKA RR BUDGET AND LAND                                        
 SPONSOR(S): RULES BY REQUEST OF LEGISLATIVE BUDGET AND AUDIT                  
                                                                               
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 01/13/97        42    (H)   TRANSPORTATION, FINANCE                           
 01/15/97        78    (H)   STA REFERRAL ADDED                                
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 02/05/97              (H)   MINUTE(TRA)                                       
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 WITNESS REGISTER                                                              
                                                                               
 PAM LABOLLE, President                                                        
 Alaska State Chamber of Commerce                                              
 217 Seward Street, Number 201                                                 
 Juneau, Alaska 99801                                                          
 Telephone:  (907) 586-2323                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63.                           
                                                                               
 KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner                                              
 Department of Transportation                                                  
   and Public Facilities                                                       
 3132 Channel Drive                                                            
 Juneau, Alaska 99801-7898                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 465-6977                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63.                           
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director                                              
 Income & Excise Audit Division                                                
 Department of Revenue                                                         
 P.O. Box 110420                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska 99811-0420                                                     
 Telephone:  (907) 465-2320                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63.                           
                                                                               
 RANDY S. WELKER, Legislative Auditor                                          
 Legislative Audit Division                                                    
 Legislative Agencies and Offices                                              
 P.O. Box 113300                                                               
 Juneau, Alaska 99811-3300                                                     
 Telephone:  (907)  465-3830                                                   
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 63.                                      
                                                                               
 MARK NECESSARY, Senior Vice President of Refining                             
 Tesoro Alaska                                                                 
 P.O. Box 3369                                                                 
 Kenai, Alaska 99611                                                           
 Telephone:  (907) 776-8191                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63.                           
                                                                               
 JEFF COOK, Vice President External Affairs                                    
 MAPCO Alaska Petroleum                                                        
 3201 C Street, Suite 700                                                      
 Anchorage, Alaska 99503-3960                                                  
 Telephone:  (907) 273-3339                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified in support of HB 63.                           
                                                                               
 KIM ROSS, Executive Director                                                  
 Alaska Air Carriers Association                                               
 1117 East 35th Avenue, Suite 102                                              
 Anchorage, Alaska 99508                                                       
 Telephone:  (907) 277-0071                                                    
 POSITION STATEMENT:  Testified on HB 63.                                      
                                                                               
 ACTION NARRATIVE                                                              
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-8, SIDE A                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN BILL WILLIAMS called the House Transportation Standing               
 Committee to order at 1:15 p.m.  Members present at the call to               
 order were Representatives Kookesh, Elton, Sanders and Williams.              
 Members absent were Representative Masek and Cowdery.                         
                                                                               
 HB 63 - AVIATION FUEL TAX EXEMPTION                                         
                                                                               
 Number 050                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS announced the committee would hear HB 63, "An Act           
 extending the motor fuel tax exemption for fuel sold for use in jet           
 propulsion aircraft to fuel used in those aircraft for flights that           
 continue from a foreign country; and providing for an effective               
 date."  He noted the sponsor wasn't in Juneau.  He said he would              
 take public testimony.                                                        
                                                                               
 Number 240                                                                    
                                                                               
 PAM LABOLLE, President, Alaska State Chamber of Commerce, came                
 before the committee to testify in support of the bill.  She                  
 referred to testimony that was given the previous week and said               
 some points that came to her mind was that last year when similar             
 legislation was discussed there was debate that there had been one            
 tanker load of jet fuel that had come into the Foreign Trade Zone             
 (FTZ).  This had some impact on our in-state refiners.  She said              
 the purpose of the FTZ is to take some value added product and use            
 it through the FTZ.  This year we had ten loads of foreign refined            
 jet fuel and we're not receiving any of the tax money from that.              
 She stated that if we had our local refiners providing this jet               
 fuel, we'd be increasing our economy of jobs, transportation, and             
 shipping on the Alaska Railroad as it comes from, for example,                
 Mapco into Anchorage.  Ms. LaBolle said the fact that we have                 
 Alaska businesses, Alaska workers, Alaska royalty crude, paying               
 state corporate taxes and other fees, and transporting it on in-              
 state transportation facilities is reason enough to do everything             
 we can to be sure they have a level playing field.  She said the              
 argument last year was, "Can we afford to lose the tax?"  She                 
 stated that we're not getting the tax on all those loads of jet               
 fuel coming in by tanker and so that is a moot question.  Ms.                 
 LaBolle urged the committee to support the bill.                              
                                                                               
 Number 458                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE JERRY SANDERS asked what the impact would have been            
 if Mapco or any other refinery had done these ten loads in Alaska.            
 He said in talking to representatives from Mapco they have about              
 430 people working for them, but they don't work at the refinery.             
 Representative Sanders said he wonders how much difference it would           
 have made at the refinery if that had happened.  He said there has            
 to be an economic impact when something comes through the FTZ.  It            
 pulls into the port and pays money to the Port of Anchorage.                  
 Somebody works at getting fuel in and out of the tanks.  He said it           
 is not a total loss when the fuel comes in on the ships.                      
                                                                               
 Number 540                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. LABOLLE responded that she couldn't give an answer as to what             
 kind of impact it has on the number of employees.  However, there             
 was testimony offered the previous week by Jeff Cook of Mapco that            
 this was an impact on the amount of business they had and what they           
 could project for the future.  As refiners talk about expanding               
 their operations, if they see a market they currently have is being           
 eroded that does not bode well for plans of expansion.  Ms. Labolle           
 stated that the ten loads of fuel that did not come out our                   
 refineries has to have had some impact on the actual business                 
 operation of the in-state refineries and their plans for the                  
 future.                                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 628                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE KIM ELTON said it seems that there are two ways of             
 dealing with the situation.  One is to eliminate the tax that                 
 applies to the Mapco fuel, the second to eliminate the FTZ.  He               
 asked if anyone has ever quantified the economic benefits of the              
 FTZ.  He said there is an economic disincentive because we stand to           
 lose over $4 million of revenue to the state general fund.  He                
 asked if somebody could explain what we're gaining with the FTZ.              
                                                                               
 Number 689                                                                    
                                                                               
 MS. LABOLLE indicated she couldn't answer that question.  She                 
 explained one of the objectives in promoting the business of                  
 fueling jets at Alaska's FTZ is to promote Alaskan business.  She             
 stated that if we're not promoting Alaskan business, and if it                
 isn't Alaskan jet fuel then why do we care where they fuel the                
 jets.  She said we need to do whatever we can to make sure that it            
 is Alaskan business that is being promoted.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 771                                                                    
                                                                               
 KURT PARKAN, Deputy Commissioner, Department of Transportation and            
 Public Facilities (DOT/PF), was next to come before the committee.            
 He noted he didn't have anything in writing in response to the Air            
 Carrier Association's comments as he had promised.  He is in the              
 process of putting that information together and would get the                
 response to the committee the following day.                                  
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS said he would appreciate receiving those written            
 comments the following day.                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 838                                                                    
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON said the committee discussed what the affect             
 to the treasury is as a result of the FTZ.  There was an                      
 expectation that the revenue that we had been getting will diminish           
 significantly, perhaps close to zero.  If that has been the case,             
 he would assume that the economic benefit is significantly greater            
 than what we're giving up through the tax revenues.  He asked Mr.             
 Parkan if he would discuss the benefits to the private and the                
 public sector.                                                                
                                                                               
 Number 884                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN responded that it is very difficult to quantify when you           
 don't have much of a history.  He said there hasn't been much use             
 of the FTZ since it was created at Anchorage a few years ago, with            
 the exception of some french perfume and alcohol that has come                
 through.  It's been minuscule until recently when the fuel started            
 coming through.  Mr. Parkan said the department noticed more and              
 more tankers were bringing the foreign fuel and saw a potential               
 loss in tax revenue as a result of that.  The department tried to             
 deal with it last year by looking at modification of the FTZ to               
 make fuel an exemption.  There were problems with making fuel an              
 exemption, so they have chosen to support the bill.  Mr. Parkan               
 said the department's opinion has always been for a level playing             
 field and they felt they were unsuccessful in creating that level             
 playing field by putting an exemption on the tax, so they support             
 level playing field by eliminating the tax.  He added that the                
 custom bonded warehouse fuel issue came up as an alternative to the           
 FTZ.  He stated that even if they were able to stop the use of the            
 FTZ for the purposes of bringing in fuel, the shippers and                    
 suppliers could still use bonded warehouse fuel as an alternative.            
 Mr. Parkan said in terms of quantifying the benefits, it is hard to           
 say.  He said there hasn't been an analysis done clearly by                   
 promoting Alaskan based refiners, there is a benefit in potential             
 for expansion in using our resources versus foreign fuel coming               
 into the state.                                                               
                                                                               
 Number 1037                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON indicated confusion.  He said, "If we didn't             
 have the FTZ, that the foreign fuel is able to come in under the              
 auspices of the FTZ that those people would be able to bring fuel             
 in using bonded warehouses and still not pay the tax."                        
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN said the answer is yes.  He noted there is a little                
 extra paperwork involved, but they can effectively do the same                
 thing through the bonded warehouses that they do through the FTZ.             
                                                                               
 Number 1075                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS asked if there are any value added                     
 provisions to the FTZ.  He said they obviously aren't adding any              
 value to perfume, alcohol or fuel.                                            
                                                                               
 Number 1090                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN said he believes that when the state and municipality              
 were putting together the application, that is what was stated as             
 the intent.  He said he doesn't think that there is a specific                
 clause or requirement that it take place.  He noted with regard to            
 fuel, there is no value added.                                                
                                                                               
 Number 1124                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE BILL HUDSON asked if there was a link to the tax               
 collected on Alaska produced fuels for the operations of the rural            
 airports.  He noted Ms. Ross said that the $4.5 million that was              
 currently collected from the taxes on our domestic produced fuels             
 were funds that were earmarked for the operations and maintenance             
 of our rural airports.  Representative Hudson asked if there was              
 any indication of the collection of those taxes for that purpose,             
 or are they just general fund monies that they are appropriated               
 out.  He asked if federal money can be used, for example, for the             
 operations and maintenance of our airports in addition to the                 
 construction and reconstruction of them.                                      
                                                                               
 Number 1189                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN referred to Representative Hudson's last question and              
 said the FAA has recently allowed airports to use a small portion             
 of capital funds, the Airport Improvement Program (AIP) dollars,              
 for runway maintenance, specifically cracked sealing and minor                
 repairs to extend the longevity of the runways.  He said in this              
 year's capital budget there is a small amount identified for that             
 purpose.  That is the only area where there is a crossover between            
 capital construction operating for federal dollars.  He stated that           
 in the budget there is reference to the aviation tax fuel account.            
 He read from a previous operating budget, "Include within the                 
 general fund, fund amounts appropriated in this act.  The following           
 amounts are from the unreserved special accounts in the general               
 fund."  It lists the highway fuel tax account and the aviation fuel           
 tax account.  Those are two accounts that are part of the general             
 fund.  He stated that for the purpose of their budget and the short           
 forms there is no reference to a funding source other than the                
 general fund.  Federal funds, interagency receipts and the program            
 receipts are receipts that they do receive from the rural airports            
 which amounts to about $2.8 million.  Their budget for operating              
 the rural airports is between $20 million and $22 million.  Mr.               
 Parkan stated that in addition to the $2.8 million in program                 
 receipts they also receive $17.2 million in general fund.                     
                                                                               
 Number 1336                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked if the $4.5 million currently being               
 received on taxes from domestic produced fuels flows into the                 
 general fund.                                                                 
                                                                               
 Number 1340                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN confirmed that it is general fund dollars.  That it is             
 a subaccount like any other subaccount to the general fund.  He               
 stated that when they put their budget together they look at the              
 total need of the airports and clearly the revenues derived from              
 program receipts does not cover what it costs to operate the                  
 airports.                                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1375                                                                   
                                                                               
 BOB BARTHOLOMEW, Deputy Director, Income and Excise Audit Division,           
 Department of Revenue, commented in response to information that              
 Ms. Ross provided.  Mr. Bartholomew stated that Ms. Ross has been             
 waiting for a year for an answer and that the Department of Revenue           
 provided their position on this issue and they don't know of any              
 state that has legally taxed fuel flown into an FTZ so on that                
 issue the Department of Revenue had no additional action.  Mr.                
 Bartholomew referred to a letter to committee members which stated            
 the above.  Mr. Bartholomew stated that two tankers arrived to                
 deliver FTZ fuel in calendar year 1995.  In 1996, there were five             
 tankers as reported to them by the Municipality of Anchorage.                 
                                                                               
 Number 1489                                                                   
                                                                               
 RANDY S. WELKER, Legislative Auditor, Legislative Audit Division,             
 Legislative Agencies and Offices, referred to an audit completed              
 last year which listed options from taxing no flights to taxing all           
 flights.  Mr. Welker said he missed the discussion at last meeting            
 concerning problems DOT/PF encountered in trying to modify the FTZ            
 regulations of getting the fuel exempted.  He stated that option              
 three on page 11 of the audit is to define a foreign flight                   
 exemption in statute which this bill does.  House Bill 63 is the              
 closest to option three presented by Legislative Audit Division.              
                                                                               
 Number 1612                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE ELTON asked if the auditors looked at the bonded               
 warehouse option.                                                             
                                                                               
 MR. WELKER responded that because it appeared there were greater              
 economic disadvantages to the bonded fuel versus the FTZ, they                
 concentrated their efforts on the FTZ.                                        
                                                                               
 Number 1660                                                                   
                                                                               
 MARK NECESSARY, Senior Vice President of Refining, Tesoro Alaska,             
 testified via teleconference from Kenai.  Mr. Necessary explained             
 that Tesoro employs 160 full-time employees at the Kenai refinery.            
 Tesoro employs 550 employees in Alaska which includes their retail            
 marketing segment as well as Fairbanks and Anchorage petroleum                
 terminals.  Mr. Necessary stated that Tesoro supports the bill as             
 well as a lot of the testimony given by Mr. Cook the previous day.            
 Mr. Necessary stated his disbelief that outside refineries could              
 have a 3.2 cents per gallon advantage over instate refineries.                
 Tesoro announced today a $50 million investment in Alaska over next           
 12 months to improve or increase production of jet fuel.  He stated           
 that more than 25 percent of the jet fuel used in Alaska comes from           
 refineries on the West Coast, Korea and Far East.  These refineries           
 are large, sophisticated and well funded operations.                          
                                                                               
 Number 1785                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked about value in restraining costs for              
 fuel that would be purchased and used for local purposes.  For                
 example, if you lose out to the foreign import and assuming your              
 costs are somewhat based on your total production, do you then pass           
 those costs on to rural airports, or domestic flights or other                
 instate consumptive uses.                                                     
                                                                               
 Number 1822                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. NECESSARY responded that the costs would be passed on to the              
 customers.                                                                    
                                                                               
 Number 1843                                                                   
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated that the bill will be taken up again and             
 that it will be changed by the plan to add bunker fuel exemptions             
 at the request of himself and the sponsor.  Chairman Williams                 
 stated that they will work with the sponsor's office to come up               
 with a committee substitute.                                                  
                                                                               
 Number 1878                                                                   
                                                                               
 JEFF COOK, Vice President, External Affairs, MAPCO Alaska                     
 Petroleum, testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  Mr. Cook             
 stated Mapco has about 150 employees based in the refinery,                   
 marketing and distribution and 300 employees or more in retail.               
 Payroll dollars are higher with the 150 employees because of the              
 quality of personnel.  He stated that with their gasoline                     
 expansion, Mapco hired a lot of new people in 1996.  Mr. Cook said,           
 "Also as to the Port of Anchorage and the economic impact there, we           
 do pay a fee to transport our fuel on the pipeline from the port              
 area to the spaghetti farm on the pipeline or the airport.  We are            
 paying a fee, so it comes in by tanker and they have to pay a fee             
 to get it over there but that then displaces potentially, fuel that           
 we would send over."  He stated that most of the benefits to the              
 FTZ would potentially accrue to the municipality.  The only action            
 in the FTZ is this fuel issue and Mapco has activated their own               
 tanks to take advantage of FTZ when they could be expanding their             
 production, however this tax does make that a better option at this           
 time.  Mr. Cook said he believes the Municipality of Anchorage is             
 supporting this bill as part of wanting to expand action at the               
 airport.  The foreign tradesman will be able to do some value added           
 activity with this new protocol that lets trade be unbuttled and              
 repackaged.  He stated that this would be the kind of activity                
 MAPCO would want an FTZ to do.  Mr. Cook stated without the bill we           
 will disadvantage the in-state refiners and employees of Mapco,               
 Tesoro, Petrostar, the railroad and others.                                   
                                                                               
 Number 1976                                                                   
                                                                               
 KIM ROSS, Executive Director, Alaska Air Carriers Association,                
 testified via teleconference from Anchorage.  Ms. Ross reported she           
 did not receive a response or any additional documentation from               
 DOT/PF or from Mapco since the last hearing February 12, 1997.  She           
 stated that on Wednesday, Representative Sanders asked Deputy                 
 Commissioner Parkan whether the $4 million in aviation fuel taxes             
 comes from the general fund.  Representative Sanders also asked               
 whether the $4 million would be in addition to the $60 million the            
 legislature must cut from next year's operating budget.  Mr. Parkan           
 stated, on the record, that the $4 million does come from the                 
 general fund and then he said, "no tie no link between fuel tax               
 revenues and the DOT/PF's budget".  Ms. Ross referred the committee           
 members to AS 43.40.010(e), effective July 1, 1994, "... proceeds             
 of the taxes on aviation fuel shall be paid into a special aviation           
 fuel tax account in the state general fund.  The legislature may              
 appropriate funds from this account for aviation facilities."  Ms.            
 Ross then quoted the preamble to the 1994 amendment raising the               
 fuel tax 3.2 cents which read as follows: "The purpose of this Act            
 is to increase the tax on aviation gasoline in an amount                      
 substantially comparable to the amount that would be derived from             
 the DOT/PF reimposition of landing fees of rural state-owned                  
 airports and to leave this increased tax in place only so long as             
 the commissioner of Transportation of Public Facilities does not              
 before January 1, 2000, impose landing fees at those airports at a            
 higher rate than was in effect on January 1, 1994."  Ms. Ross                 
 stated that the legislative intent of the bill was to find an                 
 alternative funding source in lieu of the proposed landing fee                
 program as the cost for administering the program was approximately           
 40 cents on the dollar.  Ms. Ross considered this much more                   
 effective to use the fuel tax increase than the landing fee                   
 program.  "The link between aviation fuel taxes and rural airport             
 maintenance and operations budgets is there in black and white,               
 written into our own statutes.  As additional proof of this tie-in,           
 I would like to refer you to your packets and the 1994 DOT/PF                 
 flowchart, which was used as justification for the 1994 fuel tax              
 hike.  The flowchart depicts fuel taxes, aviation fuel taxes versus           
 the DOT rural airport maintenance and operations overall budget.              
 Last year, HB 362 was introduced and the refineries argued their              
 support for the tax exemption centered around an `unlevel playing             
 field'.  Their competition was able to provide non-taxable foreign            
 fuel."  Ms. Ross further stated that the total fuel through the FTZ           
 in 1996 was 38 million gallons, which was approximately 6 percent             
 of the total fuel consumed in Anchorage.  The increase from 1995 to           
 1996 was 2 percent.  Ms. Ross stated that MAPCO must import many              
 times this amount each year in order to meet their needs.  Ms. Ross           
 then said, "Jeff Cook says that might be a silly option but we know           
 the refineries can't produced enough local fuel to meet the demands           
 so they too are importing non-taxable foreign fuel.  Last Wednesday           
 Jeff Cook from Mapco was asked `What will you do with the 3.2                 
 cents' and Mr. Cook replied `There will be no additional revenues             
 from 3.2 cents to his company'.  He further stated the refineries             
 wanted the exemption as an incentive to expand their facilities               
 which would generate new jobs and additional corporate taxes.                 
 Well, this maybe someday expansion for some undefined project is              
 not enough justification for a subsidy giveaway.  Mr. Chairman and            
 members of the committee, the refineries of this state don't want             
 a level playing field, they simply want a subsidy.  The                       
 justifications they give us don't make sense and for more than a              
 year now they have continued to refuse to answer some pretty simple           
 questions."  Ms. Ross offered herself and her association's                   
 assistance in finding ways to develop solutions.                              
                                                                               
 Number 2256                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE HUDSON asked about the growth of the importation of            
 foreign produced fuel, the impact on local sales and the impact on            
 reduced funds from locally produced fuels that are currently used             
 in rural Alaska.  Representative Hudson stated that if the foreign            
 refineries continue with these activities, there will be more                 
 untaxed fuel used in the international trade airways.  He stated              
 his concern about having less monies to put into maintenance and              
 operations of runways in rural Alaska and asked Ms. Ross to look at           
 ways to offset or find solutions and address this issue.                      
                                                                               
 Number 2302                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS responded that the Department of Revenue stated there were           
 two tankers in 1995 and in 1996 there were five tankers.  The Port            
 of Anchorage received $25,000 in revenue as each ship came in.                
                                                                               
 Number 2329                                                                   
                                                                               
 REPRESENTATIVE SANDERS requested clarification about the increase             
 from 1995 to 1996 being 2 percent since figures used earlier in the           
 meeting were different.                                                       
                                                                               
 Number 2353                                                                   
                                                                               
 MS. ROSS responded, 4 percent to 6 percent in 1996 came from                  
 figures Representative Therriault talked about.  She stated that              
 the figures were 20.7 million gallons of tax exempt foreign                   
 produced fuel in 1995, and in 1996, just under 38 million gallons.            
 She further stated that the total amount of fuel used in 1996                 
 increased over that used in 1995 from 4 percent to 6 percent.                 
                                                                               
 Number 2394                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. BARTHOLOMEW stated to further clarify Ms. Ross' statement, he             
 believes she was quoting, when she said it went from 4 percent in             
 1995 to 6 percent in 1996, was total consumption of jet fuel                  
 provided by FTZ.  The increase was from 20 million gallons to 38              
 million gallons, so the percentage increase of the FTZ import was             
 much bigger than 6 percent.  It was almost double, almost 100                 
 percent.  He said he thinks when she quotes 4 percent and 6                   
 percent, that is what percentage the FTZ is of the total                      
 consumption of jet fuel at Anchorage and Fairbanks international              
 airports.  Mr. Bartholomew said the total consumption went up by 45           
 million gallons at Anchorage and Fairbanks international airports             
 in 1996.                                                                      
                                                                               
 Number 2432                                                                   
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN referred to comments by Ms. Ross regarding the                     
 dedication of the fuel tax and link between the tax and the budget            
 and said he just received a copy of the chart he thought she was              
 referring to.  He said it looks like it might have been prepared at           
 a time when there was discussion about having dedicated funds.                
                                                                               
 TAPE 97-8, SIDE B                                                             
 Number 001                                                                    
                                                                               
 MR. PARKAN indicated he isn't sure how to respond to the subsidy              
 questions Ms. Ross had.  He said clearly the bulk of the fuel tax             
 and the bulk of the fees paid at the international airports are               
 borne by the large cargo carriers.  They're currently paying more             
 than their share in terms of the tax as well as the landing fees.             
 He said he would try to include information concerning Ms. Ross'              
 comments that will be forwarded to the committee the following day.           
                                                                               
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS stated the bill would be brought back before the            
 committee on Monday, February 24, 1997.                                       
                                                                               
 ADJOURNMENT                                                                   
                                                                               
 Number 040                                                                    
                                                                               
 CHAIRMAN WILLIAMS adjourned the House Transportation Standing                 
 Committee meeting at 2:00 p.m.                                                
                                                                               

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